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Post by Cole_blooded on Nov 30, 2004 20:24:34 GMT -5
Nef in that second photo who were you all aiming at?, it was`nt Ozzy urinating again was it? ;D
TED.......aka.......coleblooded
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Post by Nefarious on Dec 1, 2004 9:45:55 GMT -5
Nef in that second photo who were you all aiming at?, it was`nt Ozzy urinating again was it? ;D TED.......aka.......coleblooded Cole, as John Wayne as Davy Crockett once said, "Think so!" Actually, what WAS the year of Ozzie's Alamo desecration? (AlamoGuy, as to the SW corner wall, it is a reconstruction built over the original foundations.)  Here is what the wall looks like, looking SW toward what would've been the town. Imagine Colonel Travis from the new film saying "What is Colonel Bowie doing on the bridge?" In this case, however, it would be "What is Colonel Bowie doing in that parking structure?"  |
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Post by Bromhead24 on Dec 1, 2004 17:18:53 GMT -5
What was the origional structure made of? was it lime stone like the church and long barracks?
JW built his totally out of adobe except for the church facade.
Mike
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Post by Nefarious on Dec 2, 2004 9:12:17 GMT -5
What was the origional structure made of? was it lime stone like the church and long barracks? JW built his totally out of adobe except for the church facade. Mike I believe that it's supposed to be adobe bricks. They're all the same, identical size, which would not be the case with limestone. Wayne/Ybarra cut corners, cost-wise, when building the Alamo set. Adobe was simply cheaper. As an aside, have you ever seen the ruins of the limestone house in Brackettville that the chapel facade was constructed from? It's still there. |
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Post by Bromhead24 on Dec 2, 2004 17:26:32 GMT -5
I believe that it's supposed to be adobe bricks. They're all the same, identical size, which would not be the case with limestone. Wayne/Ybarra cut corners, cost-wise, when building the Alamo set. Adobe was simply cheaper. As an aside, have you ever seen the ruins of the limestone house in Brackettville that the chapel facade was constructed from? It's still there. I'm sure i have seen the house, i think it is a block from HWY 90 fairly close to the school. Do you happen to have a photo to refresh my memory? |
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Post by neferetus on Dec 8, 2004 12:14:15 GMT -5
 Dr. John Sutherland, many years after the fall of the Alamo. While it has been lately called into question as to whether, or not he was even at the Alamo on the morning of February 23, 1836, his 1860 pamphlet helped to perpetuate many of our Alamo legends. It was Sutherland, for instance, who placed Davy Crockett at the earth and cedar palisade in front of the Alamo church. |
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Post by Greg C. on Dec 8, 2004 15:05:26 GMT -5
i thought he died at the alamo?
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Post by neferetus on Dec 8, 2004 18:28:27 GMT -5
i thought he died at the alamo? Well, in John Wayne's "The Alamo", he did. According to his own account, documented in his 1860 pamphlet, Dr. John Sutherland was in San Antonio on the morning of the 23rd of February and it was he and John W. Smith who rode out to investigate the belltower sentry's claim of having seen the Mexican army. According to the account, Sutherland and Smith saw 1,500 lancers upon the outskirts of Bejar. Then, as they were riding back into town to report, Sutherland's horse is said to have slipped and fallen, badly injuring the doctor's leg. Sutherland was then supposed to have been sent out as a courier by Travis. He never returned to the Alamo again. Recent scholarship and research however, seems to suggest that Sutherland may have ridden out of San Antonio the week prior to the siege and so witnessed absolutely none of the action that he describes in his pamphlet. It's still an Alamo hotbed issue. While there are some who would accept as fact that Sutherland was never there, yet others firmly stand behind the good doctor's account, like Crocketts behind their palisade. |
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Post by Greg C. on Dec 8, 2004 20:19:50 GMT -5
o yeah i remember that in 13dtg. it wasnt in the 04 'mo though.
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Post by neferetus on Dec 9, 2004 14:27:38 GMT -5
o yeah i remember that in 13dtg. it wasnt in the 04 'mo though. As I seem to recall, Doc Sutherland WAS killed in the Alamo battle in "13 Days To Glory"! (In the style of 1960's TV Westerns though, no blood, no not even a tear on his shirt!) |
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Post by Greg C. on Dec 9, 2004 14:53:12 GMT -5
o yeah wasnt he killed next colorado smith near the barrakcs?
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Post by Bromhead24 on Dec 9, 2004 17:33:48 GMT -5
Didn't Walter Lord have him at the Alamo on March 6th?
I'll have to get my book out..
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Post by Greg C. on Dec 9, 2004 19:44:03 GMT -5
wow we are up to 5 pages! lets try to get 5 more!
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Post by neferetus on Dec 10, 2004 9:46:15 GMT -5
o yeah wasnt he killed next colorado smith near the barrakcs? Like Dr. John Sutherland, Alamo courier John W. Smith survived the Alamo battle and went on to become the Republic's first mayor Of San Antonio in 1837. A member of the original DeWitt Colony, Smith had a Tejana wife and resided in San Antonio during the siege of that city by Burleson and Milam in December, 1835. Smith's intelligence reports aided the besiegers in the taking of the town. After his three year stint as Mayor, Smith went on to open a law practice in San Antonio. He died in 1845 of pneumonia. |
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Post by neferetus on Dec 29, 2004 10:20:38 GMT -5
 Fall Of The Alamo, by Theodore Gentilz This is the image that really got me going on studying the architecture of the Alamo. A copy of it was in a 1961 issue of American Heritage Magazine that I just happened to see, right after viewing John Wayne's "The Alamo". The scene is much in harmony with the look of the Waynamo set. Gentilz depicted the walls stark white, just like the Waynamo. I couldn't figure why the palisade would've been abandoned, though. After all, didn't the Duke say, "HALF of you men, throw up a barricade"? Half? It looks like they ALL did! |
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Post by Bromhead24 on Dec 30, 2004 0:29:36 GMT -5
I have always liked that painting, it's too bad that the origional was destroyed in a fire. Every time i see it it is small on the page. Is there any large jpegs i can download?
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Post by neferetus on Dec 30, 2004 11:21:36 GMT -5
I have always liked that painting, it's too bad that the origional was destroyed in a fire. Every time i see it it is small on the page. Is there any large jpegs i can download? There is a hand-colored copy of this painting in the DRT Library at the Alamo, along with some other original paintings Gentilz did of the other San Antonio missions. You may be surprized to discover that the paintings are all on 5x7 sized canvasses! I wonder why Gentilz chose to make them so small? Easier to hand carry around in a portfolio, I imagine. |
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Post by Greg C. on Dec 30, 2004 14:24:20 GMT -5
...or maybe less time to make.
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Post by neferetus on Jan 6, 2005 17:34:00 GMT -5
 This U.S. Army sketch of the Alamo by Lt. Edmund Blake, done just a few years after the battle, is about as close as we'll come to knowing what the Long Barrack really looked like. As you can see, some of the arched windows and that arched door yet remain on the building today. (The door has since been converted into an arched window, though.) |
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Post by neferetus on Jan 7, 2005 10:11:32 GMT -5
  This 1839 Seth Eastman watercolor and Bromhead's Turn of the Century postcard show the same angle, from the covent yard and looking southeast, toward the Alamo church. To get a better perspective, the Eastman view ends at the first upper statue niche in the postcard. (The 2nd story door just north of the facade is seen in both images.) |
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