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Post by neferetus on Apr 6, 2008 10:01:00 GMT -5
Doesn't the Narrator of "Price Of Freedom" say something like "This is where fact gets mixed with lednd.."? I believe it's something to the effect of : No history is without myth No myth is without roots in history Not all the facts are known Not everyone agrees But where facts have failed The Spirit of The Alamo survives.
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Post by Greg C. on Apr 6, 2008 11:11:00 GMT -5
Doesn't the Narrator of "Price Of Freedom" say something like "This is where fact gets mixed with lednd.."? I believe it's something to the effect of : No history is without myth No myth is without roots in history Not all the facts are known Not everyone agrees But where facts have failed The Spirit of The Alamo survives. That's what I remember Nef. It really is a great quote...
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Post by Greg C. on Apr 7, 2008 18:33:48 GMT -5
Some interesting trivia:
-John Wayne originally intended that Richard Widmark should play Davy Crockett, while Wayne himself would have taken the small role of Sam Houston so he could focus his energy on directing the picture. However, Wayne was only able to get financial backing if he played one of the main parts, so he decided to play Crockett and cast Widmark as Jim Bowie. Before those changes, Sonny Tufts was considered for the role of Jim Bowie, and Clark Gable for the role of William Travis.
-Director John Ford showed up on the set, and let John Wayne know that he wanted to direct some of the picture. Wayne sent him out with a small crew to do some second-unit work, mostly of Mexican cavalry riding through the countryside as they approached the Alamo, and Frankie Avalon estimated that the footage filmed by Ford made up approximately ten to fifteen per cent of the finished film.
-Sammy Davis Jr. managed to obtain a copy of the script and asked John Wayne if he could play the straight role of a Negro slave. Wayne considered him but eventually declined Davis' offer. Davis recalled, "There were a lot of influential Texans investing in the film and they didn't like the idea that I was seeing [his future wife] May Britt at the time. They disapproved of a man of color going out with a girl who was white, though Duke [Wayne] was upfront with me about it and I respected him for it".
-Banned in Mexico.
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Post by seguin on Apr 7, 2008 19:00:20 GMT -5
Banned in Mexico? The waynamo?
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Post by Greg C. on Apr 7, 2008 19:01:20 GMT -5
Banned in Mexico? The waynamo? Yes. IMDB doesn't give a reason but maybe Nef can fill us in...
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Post by neferetus on Apr 7, 2008 23:19:32 GMT -5
Banned in Mexico? The waynamo? Yes. IMDB doesn't give a reason but maybe Nef can fill us in... They got the expected PR statement from the Mexican government to the effect that the Mexican army never massacred anyone and, that a film that depicted such a negative picture of Mexicans could not only not be filmed in Mexico, but shown there, as well. Strange, because THE ALAMO (2004) did tolerable box office in Mexico.
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Post by neferetus on Apr 7, 2008 23:25:52 GMT -5
Some interesting trivia: -John Wayne originally intended that Richard Widmark should play Davy Crockett, while Wayne himself would have taken the small role of Sam Houston so he could focus his energy on directing the picture. However, Wayne was only able to get financial backing if he played one of the main parts, so he decided to play Crockett and cast Widmark as Jim Bowie. Before those changes, Sonny Tufts was considered for the role of Jim Bowie, and Clark Gable for the role of William Travis. Don't believe everything you read on the web. Remember the March, 1997 BBC interview with Richard Widmark that's posted on this very site It says, in part: WIDMARK: ...I really didn't want to work with Duke, because we didn't like each other. But I went over one day to see him before when they were talking about casting me. He was very nice. And he wanted me to play Travis, the part that Larry Harvey played. And I said, 'no, I don't want to play that, I want to play Bowie.' 'You're not BIG enough for Bowie'--he liked big guys. (Widmark chuckles) Big to him was great. And I said, 'I'll be big enough.'
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Post by seguin on Apr 7, 2008 23:31:13 GMT -5
So the Waynamo was never shown in Mexico?
What´s wrong with the BBC Widmark interview?
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Post by neferetus on Apr 7, 2008 23:35:37 GMT -5
Nothing.
Greg's IMDB trivia quote says that Wayne had wanted Widmark to play Crockett. In the 1997 interview however, Widmark himself states that Wayne had wanted him for Travis, and that he had to fight for the role of Bowie.
Trivia sites don't always get it right. (And I would far rather believe Widmark himself, anyway.)
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Post by seguin on Apr 7, 2008 23:55:08 GMT -5
I see! I too would rather believe Widmark, of course.
Do you happen to know if the Waynamo ever premiered in Mexico?
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Post by neferetus on Apr 7, 2008 23:59:58 GMT -5
Do you happen to know if the Waynamo ever premiered in Mexico? No, it did not. It truly was banned. (And that, after Wayne had bent over backwards to portray the Mexican army as both gallant and, courageous.)
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Post by Greg C. on Apr 8, 2008 5:55:27 GMT -5
Lot of ignorance on the Mexican Governments part...
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Post by seguin on Apr 8, 2008 19:23:24 GMT -5
Do you happen to know if the Waynamo ever premiered in Mexico? No, it did not. It truly was banned. (And that, after Wayne had bent over backwards to portray the Mexican army as both gallant and, courageous.) Amazing! But they must´ve shown the Waynamo later on (probably much later on), since they´ve shown the 2004 version, which was much "worse" seen with Mexican eyes, don´t you think?
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Post by RebAl on Apr 18, 2008 8:18:52 GMT -5
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Post by seguin on Apr 18, 2008 15:10:12 GMT -5
Great screenshots, Alex! Thanks...
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Post by Greg C. on Apr 19, 2008 17:58:43 GMT -5
Excellant shots Alex! If you have more, please post them!
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Post by neferetus on Aug 24, 2008 14:22:03 GMT -5
John Wayne's THE ALAMO DVD has crept its way into the 2 for ten dollars bin at WalMart (Not to worry though, so have FIDDLER ON THE ROOF and WEST SIDE STORY.)
Anyhow, this would make a great stocking stuffer, or birthday gift for someone you know who hasn't had the pleasure of seeing the film yet.
You think it over and you'll side with me.
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Post by neferetus on Sept 7, 2010 22:51:31 GMT -5
These screen caps are from an outtake scene from THE ALAMO that was used to cover the Mexican War segment in HOW THE WEST WAS WON.
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Post by neferetus on Sept 7, 2010 22:52:01 GMT -5
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Post by neferetus on Sept 7, 2010 22:52:26 GMT -5
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