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Post by henrywarnell on Mar 21, 2008 15:46:41 GMT -5
Thanks Ted, I was pleased with the way that shot of the Long Barracks turned out, and nobody in sight! Were you there on the Day, we would have liked to have met you! My name is John, I'm nothing like Henry Warnell, I don't ride a horse very well, I don't chew tobacco, and I'm far to heavy to be a Jockey!
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Post by Greg C. on Mar 21, 2008 16:40:51 GMT -5
As much as I'd like to believe that the Crockett carving, that Henry Warnell posted on the previous page, is real, I'm not sure especially in today's world. But if someone is going to grafftti, better they put that then something else.
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Post by henrywarnell on Mar 21, 2008 17:25:38 GMT -5
I don't think many people that have seen that carving in the niche believe that Crockett carved it, as Rich Curilla said, it was probably done by some Wag at a much later date! I think the reasons for this line of thinking were discussed on one of the forums some time back! But it would be nice to think that he did carve it!
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Post by Greg C. on Mar 21, 2008 17:28:51 GMT -5
It's too convenient to be real, I think. If it was real it would be more worn out and weather beaten. That looks like it was carved within the last decade.
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Post by neferetus on Mar 21, 2008 17:36:13 GMT -5
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Post by Greg C. on Mar 21, 2008 17:37:25 GMT -5
Is it my bad eyesight or is it the carving spelled "Crocket"?
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Post by neferetus on Mar 21, 2008 17:43:32 GMT -5
Is it my bad eyesight or is it the carving spelled "Crocket"? Yep, Crockett is said to have never understood why there needed to be two "T"s at the end of his name, as it sounded the same, anyway. Here is Crockett's take on grammar:"But I don't know of any thing in my book to be criticised on by honourable men. Is it on my spelling?---that's not my trade. Is it on my grammar?---I hadn't time to learn it, and make no pretensions to it. Is it on the order and arrangement of my book?---I never wrote one before, and never read very many; and, of course, know mighty little about that. Will it be the authorship of the book?---this I claim, and I'll hang on to it, like a wax plaster.... I despise this way of spelling contrary to nature. And as for grammar, it's pretty much a thing of nothing at last, after all the fuss that's made about it.... Big men have more important matters to attend to than crossing their t's, and dotting their i's---, and such like small things.... But just read for yourself, and my ears for a heel tap, if before you get through you don't say, with many a good-natured smile and hearty laugh, 'This is truly the very thing itself---the exact image of its Author, David Crockett.' Washington City, February 1st, 1834." [Excerpt from the preface of Narrative of the Life of David Crockett of the State of Tennessee written by Himself]
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Post by Greg C. on Mar 21, 2008 17:45:56 GMT -5
So maybe Crockett did carve it. Either that or its a very well-read prankster...
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Post by Rick on Mar 21, 2008 20:12:54 GMT -5
It's too convenient to be real, I think. If it was real it would be more worn out and weather beaten. That looks like it was carved within the last decade. I suspect Ozzie Osborne had a hand -- or something -- in it.
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Post by Greg C. on Mar 21, 2008 21:41:59 GMT -5
It's too convenient to be real, I think. If it was real it would be more worn out and weather beaten. That looks like it was carved within the last decade. I suspect Ozzie Osborne had a hand -- or something -- in it. Or somethin'...
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Post by neferetus on Mar 21, 2008 23:08:37 GMT -5
Rick once suggested that Crockett may've carved one letter per day throughout the course of the siege of the Alamo. If so, he only reached 12 letters of a 13 letter name.
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Post by seguin on Mar 21, 2008 23:23:17 GMT -5
So maybe Crockett did carve it. Either that or its a very well-read prankster... Of course it´s a prankster! Nef, was Pippi ever at the Alamo? ;D
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Post by neferetus on Mar 21, 2008 23:38:29 GMT -5
Ever since the DRT took control of maintaining the Alamo grounds in 1905, the place has had some sort of security force. So, if the Crockett carving was indeed done by a prankster, it's likely a 19th Century one.
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Post by seguin on Mar 21, 2008 23:54:46 GMT -5
Ever since the DRT took control of maintaining the Alamo grounds in 1905, the place has had some sort of security force. So, if the Crockett carving was indeed done by a prankster, it's likely a 19th Century one. What´s your opinion, Nef?
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Post by neferetus on Mar 22, 2008 0:22:35 GMT -5
There should be some way of dating as to when the carving was done.
Famous people have been known to leave their mark. There was a Beech tree on the old stage road between Blountsville and Jonesboro, Tennessee that had an inscription carved into the trunk that read "D. Boone Cilled A Bar On Tree In Year 1760." The tree fell in 1916 and had a girth of 28-1/2 feet. The Forest Service estimated the tree's age to be 365 years, fully two centuries old before Daniel Boone inscribed it.
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Post by seguin on Mar 22, 2008 1:54:32 GMT -5
I see! It is possible of course, that Crockett carved it, but is it likely? The Crockett graffiti is placed together with other graffiti. That does´nt prove anything but I still think ít´s a prank. I guess it boils down to what the individual believes to be true. If only it could be dated in some way...
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Post by henrywarnell on Mar 22, 2008 6:27:44 GMT -5
How long has this carving been known about, has it recently come to light. How long ago did the Facade get it's awful clean up, was the carving known about before the face lift. I presume scaffolding was erected to do the job, do you think that one of the clean up crew could have done it as a prank up on the scaffold almost unnoticed, I don't think that the Rangers would have stood and watched them all day long. Just a thought!!
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Post by Greg C. on Mar 22, 2008 9:00:48 GMT -5
Rick once suggested that Crockett may've carved one letter per day throughout the course of the siege of the Alamo. If so, he only reached 12 letters of a 13 letter name. You know, that would be great for my book...
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Post by neferetus on Mar 22, 2008 10:28:56 GMT -5
Rick once suggested that Crockett may've carved one letter per day throughout the course of the siege of the Alamo. If so, he only reached 12 letters of a 13 letter name. You know, that would be great for my book... Yes, it would.
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Post by neferetus on Mar 22, 2008 10:46:43 GMT -5
How long has this carving been known about, has it recently come to light. How long ago did the Facade get it's awful clean up, was the carving known about before the face lift. I presume scaffolding was erected to do the job, do you think that one of the clean up crew could have done it as a prank up on the scaffold almost unnoticed, I don't think that the Rangers would have stood and watched them all day long. Just a thought!! What fascinates me about it is that the style of writing looks old. Sorry to say this, but pranksters who do grafitti are usually teenagers without much sense. Also, penmanship, or "cursive writing", as they now call it, is almost a dying art. Kids are so used to keying on the computer that they rarely resort to writing handwrittren anything. I used to work at the Registrar of Voters office, so I had good experience in witnessing the writing styles of all the voter registrants. It got to the point where I could tell at a glance the age of the prospective voter just by looking at their writing. The older folks, those who were born back in the 1920's and earlier, had beautifully crafted letters, with artistic flourishes and swirls resembling script, or ornamental penmanship. The younger folk, on the other hand, had the cursive skills of a third grader of my generation. Inconsistent, sloppy and, well, child-like. Again, the style of writing in the Crockett carving looks to have been done by an adult who had been taught old-school style of penmanship, back in the day when you could fail a grade in school for having lousy cursive skills. It was that important of a subject.
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