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Post by Greg C. on Oct 31, 2007 19:49:21 GMT -5
I dont know if Ive aksed this question but, How do Europeans get interested in an American war?
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Post by neferetus on Nov 1, 2007 0:13:18 GMT -5
I cannot speak for Europeans, or citizens of the UK, but I guess it's pretty much the same as Americans getting excited about the Napoleonic wars, or the Zulu Wars. It happened 'over there'. It's different; it's intriguing.
Gosh Bromhead, you should be the one answering this---and RebAl!
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Post by seguin on Nov 1, 2007 4:47:30 GMT -5
I cannot speak for Europeans, or citizens of the UK, but I guess it's pretty much the same as Americans getting excited about the Napoleonic wars, or the Zulu Wars. It happened 'over there'. It's different; it's intriguing. Exactly, Nef! Spot on!
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Post by Bromhead24 on Nov 1, 2007 10:10:06 GMT -5
I cannot speak for Europeans, or citizens of the UK, but I guess it's pretty much the same as Americans getting excited about the Napoleonic wars, or the Zulu Wars. It happened 'over there'. It's different; it's intriguing. Gosh Bromhead, you should be the one answering this--- and RebAl! Well again Nef, you stole my thunder. And another thing American Civil War reenacting is almost as popular in the UK as it is here and English Civil War reenacting is almost as popular here as in the UK. But according to the lovley Janet Reno, all reenactors in the US where "armed insurgents out to take down the Clinton Administration"
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Post by RebAl on Nov 1, 2007 12:34:02 GMT -5
I dont know if Ive aksed this question but, How do Europeans get interested in an American war? I always had an interest in all periods of history since an early age. I guess I am spoilt living here in England and especially where I'm situated, there is every period of history on my doorstep and really I wouldn't need to travel very far to see it all either. Now regarding your War Between the States it first caught my imagination when I was about 8 years old after watching Errol Flynn's last western "Rocky Mountain" I started reading books about it. I guess the British always likes the underdog so my affinity quickly lay with the Confederacy, so the next logical step was to see where it all happened and over the years I have travelled extensively in every State of the Southern Confederacy and beyond, battlefields, historic homes, museums, monuments I have seen hundreds and hundreds of them. The young Reb in the State Capitol Building in Atlanta, that is the press for the great seal of Georgia I have my hand on. A few screencaps from "Rocky Mountain" which I was able to get a decent copy of on DVD.
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Post by Bromhead24 on Nov 1, 2007 12:52:12 GMT -5
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Post by neferetus on Nov 1, 2007 12:53:46 GMT -5
Rocky Mountain. I believe you've talked about this movie before. Is this the one where the Confederates and Yankees end up joining together to fight off som marauding Indians?
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Post by RebAl on Nov 1, 2007 12:56:03 GMT -5
Bromhead Thanks for the link the music Ashokan farewell is haunting I often wonder when you see old pictures of the soldiers like that how many actually survived.
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Post by neferetus on Nov 1, 2007 12:56:40 GMT -5
Nice find, Bromhead. My older brother video-taped the entire Ken Burns mini-series THE CIVIL WAR for me. It's great having a big brother.
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Post by RebAl on Nov 1, 2007 13:00:41 GMT -5
Rocky Mountain. I believe you've talked about this movie before. Is this the one where the Confederates and Yankees end up joining together to fight off som marauding Indians? Nef www.imdb.com/title/tt0042899/usercomments
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Post by neferetus on Nov 1, 2007 13:08:30 GMT -5
Interesting, Alex. I enjoyed reading all of the reader's comments, too.
Is this film available in any format, or did you just tape off of the television?
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Post by RebAl on Nov 1, 2007 13:10:23 GMT -5
Interesting, Alex. I enjoyed reading all of the reader's comments, too. Is this film available in any format, or did you just tape off of the television? I bought it from this site www.robertsvideos.com/index.php3not a bad copy especially when it's not available anywhere.
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Post by Bromhead24 on Nov 1, 2007 13:35:16 GMT -5
here is another one. RIP Shelby Foote www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5gSSKUvhAkMy very dear Sarah: The indications are very strong that we shall move in a few days -- perhaps tomorrow. Lest I should not be able to write you again, I feel impelled to write lines that may fall under your eye when I shall be no more. Our movement may be one of a few days duration and full of pleasure -- and it may be one of severe conflict and death to me. Not my will, but thine O God, be done. If it is necessary that I should fall on the battlefield for my country, I am ready. I have no misgivings about, or lack of confidence in, the cause in which I am engaged, and my courage does not halt or falter. I know how strongly American Civilization now leans upon the triumph of the Government, and how great a debt we owe to those who went before us through the blood and suffering of the Revolution. And I am willing -- perfectly willing -- to lay down all my joys in this life, to help maintain this Government, and to pay that debt. But, my dear wife, when I know that with my own joys I lay down nearly all of yours, and replace them in this life with cares and sorrows -- when, after having eaten for long years the bitter fruit of orphanage myself, I must offer it as their only sustenance to my dear little children -- is it weak or dishonorable, while the banner of my purpose floats calmly and proudly in the breeze, that my unbounded love for you, my darling wife and children, should struggle in fierce, though useless, contest with my love of country? I cannot describe to you my feelings on this calm summer night, when two thousand men are sleeping around me, many of them enjoying the last, perhaps, before that of death -- and I, suspicious that Death is creeping behind me with his fatal dart, am communing with God, my country, and thee. I have sought most closely and diligently, and often in my breast, for a wrong motive in thus hazarding the happiness of those I loved and I could not find one. A pure love of my country and of the principles I have often advocated before the people and "the name of honor that I love more than I fear death" have called upon me, and I have obeyed. Sarah, my love for you is deathless, it seems to bind me to you with mighty cables that nothing but Omnipotence could break; and yet my love of Country comes over me like a strong wind and bears me irresistibly on with all these chains to the battlefield. The memories of the blissful moments I have spent with you come creeping over me, and I feel most gratified to God and to you that I have enjoyed them so long. And hard it is for me to give them up and burn to ashes the hopes of future years, when God willing, we might still have lived and loved together, and seen our sons grow up to honorable manhood around us. I have, I know, but few and small claims upon Divine Providence, but something whispers to me -- perhaps it is the wafted prayer of my little Edgar -- that I shall return to my loved ones unharmed. If I do not, my dear Sarah, never forget how much I love you, and when my last breath escapes me on the battlefield, it will whisper your name. Forgive my many faults, and the many pains I have caused you. How thoughtless and foolish I have oftentimes been! How gladly would I wash out with my tears every little spot upon your happiness, and struggle with all the misfortune of this world, to shield you and my children from harm. But I cannot. I must watch you from the spirit land and hover near you, while you buffet the storms with your precious little freight, and wait with sad patience till we meet to part no more. But, O Sarah! If the dead can come back to this earth and flit unseen around those they loved, I shall always be near you; in the garish day and in the darkest night -- amidst your happiest scenes and gloomiest hours -- always, always; and if there be a soft breeze upon your cheek, it shall be my breath; or the cool air fans your throbbing temple, it shall be my spirit passing by. Sarah, do not mourn me dead; think I am gone and wait for thee, for we shall meet again. As for my little boys, they will grow as I have done, and never know a father's love and care. Little Willie is too young to remember me long, and my blue-eyed Edgar will keep my frolics with him among the dimmest memories of his childhood. Sarah, I have unlimited confidence in your maternal care and your development of their characters. Tell my two mothers his and hers I call God's blessing upon them. O Sarah, I wait for you there! Come to me, and lead thither my children. Sullivan A week later, Sullivan was killed at the first battle of Bull Run.
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Post by RebAl on Nov 5, 2007 11:51:18 GMT -5
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Post by neferetus on Nov 5, 2007 12:12:24 GMT -5
Great stuff, Alex. You're a bottomless pit of wonder.
Amazing how the split-rail fence is the same in both the painting and the photograph of Durham Station.
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Post by neferetus on Nov 5, 2007 12:14:17 GMT -5
Yeah Bromhead, Ken Burns can thank his lucky stars that he had someone of the calibre of Shelby Foote to assist him with his mini-series.
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Post by RebAl on Nov 5, 2007 12:14:29 GMT -5
Great stuff, Alex. You're a bottomless pit of wonder. Amazing how the split-rail fence is the same in both the painting and the photograph of Durham Station. I love these paintings that you can then take a picture of the place that they are depicting!
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Post by neferetus on Nov 5, 2007 12:24:00 GMT -5
Sadly, you cannot do that at the Alamo.
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Post by RebAl on Nov 5, 2007 12:30:55 GMT -5
Sadly, you cannot do that at the Alamo. You can always dream I used to close my eyes when I visited there and could just visualise the battle. The hairs on the back of my neck always stand up when I enter the mission.
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Post by Bromhead24 on Nov 6, 2007 10:54:37 GMT -5
Yeah Bromhead, Ken Burns can thank his lucky stars that he had someone of the calibre of Shelby Foote to assist him with his mini-series. I think he was the driving force behind the series and made it much more interesting. Believt it or not, i actually welled up when i heard of his passing. Trivia, when he did the mini series he was 75 years old. He sure looked much younger. Shelby Foote Biography Novelist and Historian Shelby Foote Date of birth: November 17, 1916 Date of death: June 27, 2005 Print Biography Shelby Foote was born and raised in Greenville, Mississippi. His father died when he was only five, and his mother raised him alone. When he was thirteen he became friends with another Greenville boy, Walker Percy, and the two remained friends until the end of Percy's life, 60 years later. They shared a love of books, and encouraged each others' literary ambitions. After serving as editor of his high school newspaper in Greenville, Foote attended the University of North Carolina, where he contributed to the literary magazine. When the Second World War began in Europe, he dropped out of college and joined the National Guard, two years before the United States was drawn into the war. Foote began to write fiction while waiting for his unit to be mobilized. He was working at a Memphis radio station in 1946 when he sold a short story to the Saturday Evening Post and quit his job to write full time. Foote published five novels in rapid succession, beginning with Tournament in 1949. His next novels, Follow Me Down and Love in a Dry Season won admiring reviews, but sold indifferently. The popular success of Shiloh, a fictional recreation of the Civil War battle, inspired Random House publisher Bennet Cerf to ask Foote to write a short history of the Civil War. Foote agreed, on one condition. The story was too big for a single volume, Foote insisted, and Cerf agreed to publish a monumental trilogy on the subject. Foote worked for 20 years, writing 500 words a day. The Civil War: A Narrative, published in three volumes between 1958 and 1974, was hailed by critics and historians as a unique masterpiece. Foote's other books include Jordan County (1954) and September, September (1978), a novel set amid the turmoil surrounding the integration of Little Rock's Central High School in 1957. A volume of Shelby Foote's correspondence with his lifelong friend, novelist Walker Percy, was published in 1998.
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