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Post by Bromhead24 on Sept 16, 2004 19:12:43 GMT -5
I'll have to wait untill after the 28th to take take part in the poll,
Then i'll vote because i've seen all on the list except for the 2004 version...
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RebAl
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Post by RebAl on Sept 18, 2004 11:31:42 GMT -5
Well I know J.W. Alamo wasn't historically accurate but I have lived with it for many years and to me its still the best, the music is perfect and the battle scenes although a bit dated are still extremely good.
I honestly don't know whether I will ever get used to the ending (Crockett down on his knees ) in this new version I would much preferred him going down fighting like the way I have always believed him to have.
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Post by CRBARRy444 on Dec 28, 2004 12:39:41 GMT -5
1.) 1960
2.) 2004
3.) Davy Crockett at the Alamo (Disney)
4.) Last Command
5.) Man of Conquest
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Post by alamosteve on Apr 24, 2005 11:35:15 GMT -5
the alamo (2004)
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Post by neferetus on Apr 26, 2005 16:15:43 GMT -5
 The Waynamo. I grew up with it; it's part of me. Maybe some 40 years down the road, you young folks will yet have the same sort of affection for THE ALAMO (2004). I would like to think so. |
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Post by Greg C. on Apr 26, 2005 16:22:18 GMT -5
I like the new movie but it is just missing something that wayneamo had which makes it a tie for me.
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Post by Bromhead24 on Apr 26, 2005 17:45:10 GMT -5
I'm with you Nef, I think that Wayneamo is more entertainment than history. But i really love the film, especially the extended version i bought for $5.00 at shop ko and i see it go for $75.00 on ebay..
The new 2004 version is more history than entertainment (if you know what i mean) and i like it the way it is, more so if a directors cut is released.......I hope i explained the word "Entertainment" correctly.
Mike
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Post by Bromhead24 on Apr 28, 2005 21:15:23 GMT -5
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Post by bubbabod on Sept 4, 2007 1:18:54 GMT -5
For me there'll never be one as good as John Wayne's 1960 version. Sure, a lot of inaccuracies, but it was John Wayne and Richard Widmark! I visited the site a few months ago, and here's a few pictures: The chapel, plaza and Crockett's palasade on right:  The chapel, headquarters and long barracks:  More of the same:  For comparison, the real Alamo:  And the long barracks:  |
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Post by Greg C. on Sept 4, 2007 8:42:17 GMT -5
Very Nice pics Bubba! The overcast sky makes for a dramatic backdrop.
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Post by neferetus on Sept 4, 2007 12:08:30 GMT -5
Yes, thanks for sharing, bubbabob. I particularly like taking photographs on rainy, or overcast days because the damp and shadows highligh the buildings better.
I see in your photo of the Low Barrack how that yucca has grown back. Over the years, it keeps getting cut down, uyet sprouts up again in no time. I'm not sure, but I think you can even see it in the TV movie, 13 DAYS TO GLORY.
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Post by neferetus on Sept 29, 2007 11:13:05 GMT -5
THE ALAMO (2004) has the best choreography of troop movements around the mission of any Alamo film. It was truly frightening watching those colums converging out of the darkness and at staggered intervals. Well done.
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Post by seguin on Oct 2, 2007 18:07:37 GMT -5
I like the 2004 Alamo movie the best. They all have their own qualities but the 2004 version is the most historically correct one and I find it very entertaining too. The Waynamo is a close second but for different reasons than historical correctness. I think a lot of it has to do with nostalgia. It´s a Wayne movie with great actors like Widmark and Harvey and it has a lot of humor. Both are great movies in their own right. I like The Last Command too. The guy who plays Crockett does a fine job! Just too bad they wanted Bowie to be an old friend of Santa Anna. Btw, what a small compound it was in Disney´s 1956 version with Fess Parker. That´s the smallest Alamo compound I ever saw...
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Post by Cole_blooded on Oct 2, 2007 22:33:20 GMT -5
The 2004 Alamo movie was the most historically correct I agree but not all of it for sure!  Hancock or some one with him said in an interview it was Historical fiction and this was in an Austin paper at the time! Neff I liked the scene with Mexican troops sneaking up on the palisades and when Crockett takes a peek!  Imagine how Crockett`s pucker factor went up when he took that look! TED COLE....aka....Cole_blooded |
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Post by neferetus on Oct 3, 2007 14:40:04 GMT -5
I agree, that was a great scene. Let the famous old frontiersman with ears well tuned to the slightest snapping of a twig be the first to spot the approachig soldados.
(And I'm sure glad that that irritating Ward was not the first to spot the enemy. All he wanted to do was 'fall back'. What a lame line, 'Fall back!' That was just like saying, shoot yourselves in the head, 'cause we're all dead'.
(Remember when the catch-phrase for the movie was STAND YOUR GROUND?)
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Post by bucko1 on Oct 4, 2007 18:12:16 GMT -5
1. Alamo II (Alamo International Parody)
2.Davy Crockett At The Alamo (Disney)
3. 2004
4. Seguin (Jesus Trevino)
5. Last Command (could easily be in the Top 3)
6. Viva Max (excellent for its insight into the Mexican side and great comedy by J. Winters and great beauty by Pamela Tiffin)
7. 1960 (not as good as Wayne's Rio Bravo, Horse Soldiers, The Searchers, or She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, all classics and tremendous films in my opinion)
8. San Antonio (Errol Flynn with great Alamo scenes)
9. Man From the Alamo (So far from fact it's laughable, but nonetheless, shows the very real dilemmas of the defenders and their families)
Rating the last ones 8, 9, etc. doesn't mean I don't like them. It just means I LOVE the higher rated ones.
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Post by neferetus on Oct 12, 2007 15:46:10 GMT -5
Hey Bucko. Is ALAMO II still available? I've never seen it.
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Post by Greg C. on Oct 12, 2007 22:17:37 GMT -5
Hey Bucko. Is ALAMO II still available? I've never seen it. Alamo II? Never heard of it... |
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Post by neferetus on Oct 12, 2007 23:08:24 GMT -5
Hey Bucko. Is ALAMO II still available? I've never seen it. Alamo II? Never heard of it... It was a comedy Alamo 'film' videotaped in March, 1980 at Alamo Village, in Brackettville. A moment in time. But let Bucko tell all... |
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Post by bucko1 on Oct 17, 2007 19:20:07 GMT -5
Nef: Mike Boldt was kind enough to send me DVD copies a few years back. Craig Covner also sent me a VHS copy of the Alamo Convention in 1980 where Alamo II was conceived. A little bit about the movie. As you know, kind of as a supplement to Mike Waters' A.L.A.M.O. newsletter in the early 80's, I started the Alamo II newsletter, within the Alamo International oerganization. As you know, you, O Nefarious One, Mad Mike and Phantastic Phil Boldt, Tony "The Phantom" Pasqua, Don "Wayne" Clark, Craig Covner, Nina Rosenstand, Bill Groneman, the Genr'l his own bad self, "Wild" Bill Chemerka, Tom Feely, Kaj Anderson, Bryan Headley, John Hubbel, Art rostel, Laurence and Ray Golbey, Kevin Young, Brian Huberman, Ken Pruitt, Don Vaccaro, Murray Weissman, Alan Kude, and quite a few other "A.I." people, were instrumental in making the newsletter into the success it was, enabling it in future years, under Wild Bill Chemerka's excellent stewardship, to evolve into The Alamo Society's "Alamo Journal". Anyway, immediately preceding that, we had an Alamo Convention in March of 1980, thanks to Mike Waters, who orchestrated it all. Somehow I got picked, in the only reenactment I've ever done, to portray Travis in front of the Alamo, and the next day, in front of Happy Shahan at the Bracketville set. To say that I made friends those days that will last me a lifetime is an understatement. Unbeknownst to the more "serious" of the participants, Don "Wayne" Clark and I decided to shoot a counterculture Alamo movie at the same time. We shot footage at B-ville while the others were off doing their more "serious" thing, then Don shot more footage with a few of his nutty friends at home in Tulsa and the piece de resistance, I shot scenes in my back yard in my then-home in New Jersey with those fellow Alamomaniacs who hadn't made it to the convention in Tejas. It starred none other than Mad Mike Boldt, Tony "The Phantom" Pasqua, "The Grone", my wife and voluptuous red headed neighbor next door, and a bunch of neighborhood kids, among them my oldest son Dave, who was a Mexican with a coonskin hat on and who managed to bayonet Bowie "Mad Mike" in the family jewels. If you get the picture by now, it was a good-natured spoof on Wayne's The Alamo and I had so much fun with it. It'll never win any Academy Awards - or any award for that matter - but it was just pure fun for a bunch of close Alamo friends. Alas, that closeness no longer exists between us, but I look upon those days very fondly, and hope some day we'll get back to that closeness again. By the way, FYI, the original Alamo II/Alamo International members were: Mike and Phil Boldt, New Jersey; Don Clark, Tulsa, OK; Bill Groneman, Howard Beach, NY; Bryan Headley, Detroit, MI; John Hubbel, Rochester, NY; Brian Huberman, Houston, TX; Nefarious Ned Huthmacher, West Covina, CA; Ken Pruitt, Taylor, MI; Art Rostel, Union, NJ; and Kevin Young, San Antonio, TX. Shortly after, within the next month or so, thus considered by me to be "Originals", were Craig Covner and Nina Rosenstand, Kaj Andersen, Ray Golbey, Dave Miller, Bob Palmquist, Frank McKinnon, Texas Bill beach, Tom Madsen, Tony "The Phantom" Pasqua, John Belushi stand-in and accomplished actor and author Mike Baccarella, Hollywood Ray Herbeck, Jr. Alamo 1960 Publicist Tom Carlile, then-curator of the Alamo Charles Long and the one and only Joe Musso. From then on, membership just increased by leaps and bounds. It was a great time for the Alamo.
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Hancock or some one with him said in an interview it was Historical fiction and this was in an Austin paper at the time! Neff I liked the scene with Mexican troops sneaking up on the palisades and when Crockett takes a peek! 
Imagine how Crockett`s pucker factor went up when he took that look!